Comments on: Not with a bang, but a whimper http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/ A blog about open source and security and open source security Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:05:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: blogger » Blog Archive » No charges yet as grand jury investigates Palin hack http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3562 blogger » Blog Archive » No charges yet as grand jury investigates Palin hack Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:34:21 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3562 [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...] [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...]

]]> By: Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? | CHARGED's 24/7 News Aggregator http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3560 Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? | CHARGED's 24/7 News Aggregator Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:40:47 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3560 [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...] [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...]

]]> By: Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? (InfoWorld) | Latest Breaking News Trends http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3558 Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? (InfoWorld) | Latest Breaking News Trends Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:20:10 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3558 [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...] [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...]

]]> By: Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? | TechHairBall.com http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3557 Is Sun Solaris on its deathbed? | TechHairBall.com Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:01:09 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3557 [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...] [...] detailing disputes over control of OpenSolaris and the Sun-driven OpenDS directory projects, from February 2008 and November 2007. Sun declined to comment on the specifics of these issues and noted they both [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-05-06 | Paranoid http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3475 links for 2008-05-06 | Paranoid Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:25 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3475 [...] Open Source Security » Blog Archive » Not with a bang, but a whimper Linus gets more patches while he is brushing his teeth than OpenSolaris gets in a week.???? (tags: open-solaris linux) [...] [...] Open Source Security » Blog Archive » Not with a bang, but a whimper Linus gets more patches while he is brushing his teeth than OpenSolaris gets in a week.???? (tags: open-solaris linux) [...]

]]> By: Have you ever kissed a girl? » Snoopy’s Home http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3468 Have you ever kissed a girl? » Snoopy’s Home Sun, 04 May 2008 01:55:41 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3468 [...] source camp, instead it’s more like they just want to take some advantage. OpenSolaris is slow in development progress, and there are complains. For MySQL, they announed some of the new features [...] [...] source camp, instead it’s more like they just want to take some advantage. OpenSolaris is slow in development progress, and there are complains. For MySQL, they announed some of the new features [...]

]]> By: Thoughts by Ted » Blog Archive » What Sun was trying to do with Open Solaris http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3467 Thoughts by Ted » Blog Archive » What Sun was trying to do with Open Solaris Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:18:31 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3467 [...] So that explains why it’s take three long years to try to get basic open source development tools (such as putting Open Solaris source code in a distributed SCM located outside of the Sun firewall) for Open Solaris. It was never was Sun’s intention to try to promote a kernel engineering community, or at least, it was certainly not a high priority for them to do so. This can be shown by the fact that as of this writing they still are using the incredibly clunky requestor/sponsor system for getting patches into Solaris; setting up a git or mercurial servier is not rocket science. This lack is why Linux gets more contributions while brushing his teeth than Open Solaris gets in a week. [...] [...] So that explains why it’s take three long years to try to get basic open source development tools (such as putting Open Solaris source code in a distributed SCM located outside of the Sun firewall) for Open Solaris. It was never was Sun’s intention to try to promote a kernel engineering community, or at least, it was certainly not a high priority for them to do so. This can be shown by the fact that as of this writing they still are using the incredibly clunky requestor/sponsor system for getting patches into Solaris; setting up a git or mercurial servier is not rocket science. This lack is why Linux gets more contributions while brushing his teeth than Open Solaris gets in a week. [...]

]]> By: Simon Phipps http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3273 Simon Phipps Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:16:45 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3273 > previous versions of documents (SCA and roadmap) just disappearing, Just so you know, I have now made sure that all previous versions of the SCA are available at http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/contributor_agreement.jsp > previous versions of documents (SCA and roadmap) just disappearing,

Just so you know, I have now made sure that all previous versions of the SCA are available at http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/contributor_agreement.jsp

]]> By: Watching the ripples » Untangled http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3258 Watching the ripples » Untangled Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:03:11 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3258 [...] sense that anything would change. There were a few blog mentions from people outside the community (Emily Ratliff on the 14th, rippling to Michael Dolan on the 15th, which in turn rippled to Jim Grisanzio on the [...] [...] sense that anything would change. There were a few blog mentions from people outside the community (Emily Ratliff on the 14th, rippling to Michael Dolan on the 15th, which in turn rippled to Jim Grisanzio on the [...]

]]> By: David Comay http://www.ratliff.net/blog/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/comment-page-1/#comment-3243 David Comay Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:35:06 +0000 http://www.ratliff.net/blog/index.php/2008/02/14/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper/#comment-3243 Emily, as Simon says I believe it's up to each facility. At the Silicon Valley OpenSolaris group meeting, which does meet at a Sun facility in Santa Clara, there is no NDA required to be signed. In fact, the last couple times I attended there was no formal sign in at all. I don't know how long the transition will take - I could make excuses as to why it's taken so long but I'm sure you don't want to hear those. Instead, I believe that substantial progrss has been made on a number of fronts. I believe the primary Merucurial repository will be out in the next several months along with at least one of the other consolidations. All of the work for the Indiana project is already being done completely out in the open and there are a number of outside contributors integrating changes directly with any sponsor. And there has finally been progress on a bug tracking system, something which has been tricky since Sun has its own internal bug system which is used for previous versions of Solaris and coordinating those will require an effort. If you look at the mail archives for opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org, you'll see the architectural review for almost all of the work being done for OpenSolaris is completely out in the open (yes, there are still an occasional closed case but those either are due to clerical mistake or for the rare but real proprietary case.) Perhaps it's a difference in seeing things as being half-full versus half-empty. I'm as frustrated as anyone that certain things have taken as long as they have but I believe strongly that there will be significant improvements seen on a number of fronts this year. Emily, as Simon says I believe it’s up to each facility. At the Silicon Valley OpenSolaris group meeting, which does meet at a Sun facility in Santa Clara, there is no NDA required to be signed. In fact, the last couple times I attended there was no formal sign in at all.

I don’t know how long the transition will take - I could make excuses as to why it’s taken so long but I’m sure you don’t want to hear those. Instead, I believe that substantial progrss has been made on a number of fronts. I believe the primary Merucurial repository will be out in the next several months along with at least one of the other consolidations. All of the work for the Indiana project is already being done completely out in the open and there are a number of outside contributors integrating changes directly with any sponsor. And there has finally been progress on a bug tracking system, something which has been tricky since Sun has its own internal bug system which is used for previous versions of Solaris and coordinating those will require an effort.

If you look at the mail archives for opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org, you’ll see the architectural review for almost all of the work being done for OpenSolaris is completely out in the open (yes, there are still an occasional closed case but those either are due to clerical mistake or for the rare but real proprietary case.)

Perhaps it’s a difference in seeing things as being half-full versus half-empty. I’m as frustrated as anyone that certain things have taken as long as they have but I believe strongly that there will be significant improvements seen on a number of fronts this year.

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